An Unlikely Story

Farrell Till makes some great points concerning the 
unlikeliness of the behavior of the Israelites during 
their exodus from Egypt and 40 years wandering in 
the Sinai desert. From the Alt. Bible Errancy discussion 
group, 3 Jan 1999:

helpu wrote:

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>Farrell Till
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>(Till asserts that since it is unlikely that given the miraculous evidence
>given to the Israelite during the Exodus from Egypt that 'it is unlikely '
>that the Israelites would have doubted God days later. This was a basis for
>proof that the bible is inaccurate or from human origin.)
>
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HELPU

>I'm sorry to bring this to you seeing that you spent so much time writing
>all these proofs .. I wonder what motivates you to put in such effort?
>

TILL
What about a desire to help people see their way out of a religious
superstition that trapped me for 12 years of my life? If I, say,
volunteered to work at a literacy center to help adults learn how to read,
would you wonder what motivated me to put in such effort? Would it be so
hard for you to assume that I did this because I had the desire to help
people who need help? The desire to help, then, is just one facet of my
motivation.

How Likely Is It? (4)

From the Errancy Discussion list, 5-4-97:

TILL
After the Israelites saw another demonstration of Yahweh's power 
when he afflicted Miriam with leprosy for daring to challenge the 
leadership of Moses, they traveled from Hazeroth and camped in 
the Wilderness of Paran. Surely, the people had seen enough by 
now to understand that their god Yahweh was all-powerful, able 
to provide them with their every need, and above all not to be 
crossed in any way, but such was not the case. While they were 
at Paran, Moses sent spies into the land of Canaan to "see the
land, what it is, and the people therein, whether they are few or 
many, and what the land is that they dwell in, whether it is good 
or bad, and what cities they dwell in, whether in camps or in 
strongholds, and what the land is, whether it is fat or lean, 
whether there is wood therein, or not" (Num. 13:17-20). At 
this point, rational readers of these stories can only ask, "Why 
would Moses, of all people, have sent spies into Canaan to find 
out all these things?" He had routinely met and chatted with the 
all-powerful Yahweh, who had already told him that Canaan was 
a land "flowing with milk and honey" (Ex. 3:8, 17), so are we 
supposed to understand that after all of the demonstrations of 
Yahweh's might and power, Moses wasn't quiet sure to believe 
him about the abundance of the land unless he had independent
confirmation from a band of spies? We also have to wonder why 
Moses would have been concerned about whether there was 
"wood therein," because the Israelites had been incinerating 
animals by the millions in the wilderness of Sinai, on an altar 
whose fire never went out, so if they could find enough wood 
for that in a desert wilderness, Moses shouldn't have been too
concerned about whether there was wood in the land flowing 
with milk and honey.

How Likely Is It? (3)

From the Errancy Discussion list, 5-3-97:

Till

After the Israelites had seen Yahweh deliver them from the Egyptians by

parting the Red Sea so that they could cross on dry land and then sending

the water crashing in on the Egyptian army, they sang a hymn of praise to

Yahweh and turned inland to march across the Sinai, but they had traveled

only three days from the Red Sea when they began to complain because

there was no water to drink (Exodus 15:22-24).

How Likely Is It? (2)

From *The Skeptical Review*, 1993/July-August:

by Farrell Till 
When Pharaoh refused to release the Israelites from Egyptian bondage, the Hebrew god Yahweh performed wonders unlike anything the world had ever seen. Ten plagues were rained down on Egypt with the implication--and sometimes even direct statement--that the Israelites were spared the horrors of the plagues. When hordes of flies swarmed over Egypt, the land of Goshen, where the Israelites dwelt, was "set apart" so that "no swarms of flies [would] be there" (Ex. 8:22). Likewise, when the plague of murrain decimated the flocks of Egypt, the livestock of the Israelites was spared (9:6). When the hail came, which was more grievous than any hail that had ever struck Egypt (9:24), none fell on the Israelites in the land of Goshen (v:26). When darkness fell over the land, the Israelites "had light in their dwellings" (10:23), and when the firstborn of Egypt were struck dead, the firstborn of the Israelites were saved through the Passover ceremony.

To say the least, those Israelites witnessed some amazing miracles while Moses and Aaron worked to gain their release from bondage, but the wonders didn't cease when Pharaoh finally relented and gave permission for the people to leave Egypt. They saw Yahweh going before them in "a pillar of cloud" by day and in "a pillar of fire" by night (13:21). And these were not just occasional appearances that Yahweh made to the people, because "the pillar of cloud by day and the pillar of fire by night departed not from before the people" as they marched out of Egypt (v:21).

How Likely Is It? (1)

The following is a very thought-provoking post by the late Farrell Till (1933-2012) from the Errancy Discussion list from May 2, 1997. I will be posting a lot of the comments of Farrell Till from the Errancy Discussion list and elsewhere. Till was a former Church-of-Christ preacher; and being a former member of the Church of Christ myself, I appreciate his perspective on the errancy of the Bible. I hope to preserve many of his scholarly, insightful thoughts on this blog:
 
The postings I have been sending about absurdities in the stories of the

exodus and subsequent wilderness wanderings have not been intended to
establish contradiction but to show that the stories are so obviously
unreasonable that no rational person can believe that they actually
happened. Since ancient literature in particular is characterized by
widespread references to miraculous events, the only reasonable way to
assess the events is to critically examine each one in terms of how likely
it is that such events did indeed happen. When this principle is applied to
the conduct of the Israelites throughout the exodus and the wilderness
wanderings, rational people must conclude that it is not very likely that
most of these stories happened as recorded in the Bible.

A detailed analysis of Israelite behavior during and after the exodus may
take as many as two or three postings, but before I begin them, let's first
make a comparison that will help illustrate the problem. [Note: Please find 
under the label, *How Likely Is It?*, a 13-part series entitled *Tall Tales of 
Wilderness Wanderings*, kwh] On this list, we have seen that biblical 
inerrantists will cling to their belief in their god and the inerrancy of the 
Bible no matter how much compelling evidence to the contrary is presented. 
When confronted with glaring biblical inconsistencies or discrepancies, 
they will simply fabricate some how-it-could-have-been interpretations and 
stubbornly insist that biblical errancy has not been proven. Not a one of 
them has ever seen their god, talked to him, or seen him perform miracles 
like the parting of the Red Sea, bringing water from rocks, sending manna 
from heaven, and such like, yet despite the absence of such convincing 
evidence as this, they still maintain their belief that this god exists and that 
he verbally inspired the Bible.

Only very rarely is the faith of an inerrantist shaken badly enough to cause
him to reject his belief. On the other hand, we have the Israelites who had
their god going before them in a cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night,
coming down and speaking to them, and performing all sorts of wondrous
miracles. Despite these amazing demonstrations of their god's presence
in their midst, they were constantly bellyaching and rebelling. My postings
that follow this one will be designed to show that it is not at all likely that reasonable people would have behaved as the Israelites did; hence,
it is not at all likely that these stories happened as they are recorded in
the Bible.

Farrell Till

Extraordinary Evidence

Farrell Till comments on a debate that he had with 
Michael Horner concerning extraordinary claims requiring 
extraordinary evidence. From the Errancy Discussion list 
18 Oct., 1995:

...you will remember that Horner would not agree that any of the nonbiblical miracles that I questioned him about had actually happened. He kept saying, "I would have to research that." Finally, you may recall, he simply said, "No," when I asked him if he could think of a single miracle not recorded in the Bible that he believed happened. So even though he chided me for saying, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof," it turned out that he himself apparently accepts this principle as long as it is not an extraordinary claim that the Bible makes.

How, for example, could Horner possibly "research" to see if he can believe that a heifer being led to the temple altar in Jerusalem gave birth to a lamb or that a light glowed around the altar in the middle of the night so brightly as to give the appearance of daylight? Josephus made both extraordinary claims, along with others, but the only evidence for them is the mere fact that Josephus said that they happened. He, of course, *said* that others saw them, but I doubt if Horner would accept this, although he thinks it is "good" evidence when Paul said that Jesus appeared to 500 brethren at once. He will argue that Paul wouldn't have said this if it weren't so because people could have asked the 500 and caught him lying if the claim had not really been true. How exactly one could have gone about questioning 500 anonymous witnesses is a mystery, but, anyway, one could make the same argument about the claims of Josephus. If these miracles had not really happened, would he have said that people had seen them at a time when these people were still alive and could have been questioned?

My point is that what Horner et al consider "good" evidence in terms of "proving" the resurrection, they won't consider good evidence as they "research" the claims of Josephus, Suetonius, Tacitus, and others to decide if their miracle claims should be believed. I think that the criterion that I stated in the debate is valid: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And I have kicked myself a thousand times for not nailing Horner to the wall when he came at me with his counterargument that said, in effect, that my criterion makes it impossible to prove a miracle ever happened, because I was demanding miraculous proof that the miracle had happened. In other words, his admission that providing miraculous proof that a miracle had happened is impossible was an admission that miracles don't happen and so no such evidence would be possible. If no such evidence is possible because miracles just don't happen, then why is it logical to argue that the original miracle for which the evidence is being demanded had happened? His own argument would have backfired in his face if I had recognized the implications of it soon enough, but that is one of the hazards of public debating. The debater always thinks of things later that he should have said.

I really think that it is not at all unreasonable to say that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. An extraordinary claim doesn't necessarily have to be a miracle claim, but if it is, I think it is reasonable to argue that such a claim can never be proven. That claim is justified by the simple fact that the past is inaccessible. If a miracle ever did happen, how could one possibly prove it because it would have happened in a past that is inaccessible to the present?

F. Till

Tall Tales Of Wilderness Wanderings (Part 13 of 13): Logistical Improbabilities in the Wilderness-Wandering Tales What Priests?

by Farrell Till

When the Israelites were camped in the wilderness of Sinai, Moses "went up unto God" (Exodus 19:3), which was no big deal in those days. People were always going up to God or God was coming down to them. Anyway, Moses went up to God and Yahweh called to Moses out of the mountain and said that he would make a "holy nation" out of the children of Israel (vs:5-6).

Such a prestigious honor, however, was not without its costs. Yahweh told Moses that he would come to him in a thick cloud that the people might hear when he spoke to Moses (v:9). Moses was then directed to "set bounds to the people round about" and tell them not to go up into the mount or touch the border of it. "Whoever touches the mount shall surely be put to death," Yahweh warned. "No hand shall touch him, but he shall surely be stoned or shot through; whether it be beast or man, he shall not live" (vs:12-13).

Now here's a thought for consideration. Let's suppose that there is at least an element of truth in the exodus tales and that at least a small troupe of Israelites did leave Egypt under the leadership of a man named Moses. What better way to keep them under control than to instill in them a fear and awe by telling them that they would suffer the divine wrath of their god if they intruded on sacred territory that was reserved only for Yahweh's chosen leader? I'm not saying that this actually happened, but indeed it could have. If Moses were such a charlatan as this, he could have minimized the risk of being discovered as a phony by making the people keep their distance when he was communicating with Yahweh or when Yahweh was speaking out of the cloud. A magician today wouldn't have any difficulty at all in making a cloud of smoke and then giving the illusion of someone speaking out of it. Maybe Moses controlled the people by such means as this. It's a thought that becomes very believable when one studies the "lest you die" warning that was so frequently used in the Pentateuch. Even the Kohathites who were chosen to bear the ark were warned not to touch the holy things in it "lest they die" (Num. 4:15). Why, if they touched the "holy things," they just might have decided that they were just ordinary objects with no special powers attached to them.

When I read "lest-you-die" passages in the Bible, it seems very likely to me that they were nothing more than scare tactics of priests who were just protecting their turf and reducing the chances that they would be found out for what they were, i. e., just ordinary men, by constantly warning the people that they would die if they came too close to the sacred paraphernalia that the priests used to bamboozle them.

Anyway, Yahweh presumably told Moses to put bounds on the people and warn them that they would die if they dared touch even the "border" of the mount. Then the omniscient Yahweh did a peculiar thing. He placed the same restriction on priests, who didn't even exist at the time: "And Yahweh said to him [Moses], Get down and then come up, you and Aaron with you. But do not let the priests and the people break through to come up to Yahweh, lest he break out against them" (v:24).

Now, really, what danger was there that the priests would break through to come up to Yahweh, because there were no priests at this time? It wasn't until chapter 28 that Aaron and his four sons were consecrated to be priests. That priests didn't exist until Aaron and his sons were set apart (28:1ff) is evident from 24:4-5, where Moses built an altar at the foot of the mount and appointed "young men of the children of Israel" to offer burnt-offerings and peace-offerings to Yahweh, and he himself took half of the blood, put it in basins, and sprinkled the other half on the altar. Then he took the blood in the basins, sprinkled it on the people, and said, "Behold the blood of the covenant, which Yahweh has made with you." The book of Leviticus is very specific in noting that such duties as these were reserved strictly for the priests, so why was Moses officiating at such a ceremony as this if there were priests who had been set apart to do it?

The logical conclusion is that the writer of Exodus made a boo-boo and put an anachronism into the text.

Tall Tales Of Wilderness Wanderings (Part 12 of 13): Logistical Improbabilities in the Wilderness-Wandering Tales Clothes with Lifetime Warranties

by Farrell Till

The writer(s) of the Pentateuch apparently could not see the absurdities in many of the scenarios presented in the stories of the Israelite exodus from Egypt and subsequent wanderings in the Sinai wilderness. Where, for example, did the people find water and grazing land for the huge flocks and herds (Ex. 12:38; 17:3; Num. 32:1; Deut. 3:19) that they had with them? How did just three priests (Ex. 28:1; Lev. 10:1-7) manage to officiate at all of the daily sacrifices and then carry all of the offal remains out of the camp (Lev. 4:7-12,21; 9:8-11; 16:23-27; Num. 19:1-7) for disposal by burning? Biblicists apparently don't wonder about problems such as these, just as the biblical writers seemed unaware of them.

There is, however, an example of a logistical absurdity that the biblical writer was apparently aware of, and so he posited an explanation that was itself another absurdity. Because the people were terrified by the report of giants in the land of Canaan, Yahweh decreed that all adults, except for Joshua and Caleb, would have to wander in the wilderness until they were dead; then those who had been children at the time of this incident would be allowed to enter the promised land (Num. 14:26-35; Dt. 1:34-39). Although people routinely lived longer than a hundred years at this time (Gen. 50:26; Ex. 6:16-20; Num. 33:38-39; Deut. 34:7; Josh. 24:29), for some reason probably known only to the inscrutable Yahweh, all of the Israelites who had not been minors at the time of the spies' report of giants in the land of Canaan died after only 40 years of wandering in the wilderness (Num. 14:33; Deut. 2:7). All the people, then, who had been in their twenties at the time died, for some reason, before or during their sixties.

Tall Tales Of Wilderness Wanderings (Part 11 of 13): Logistical Improbabilities in the Wilderness-Wandering Tales The Water Problem

by Farrell Till

Nine previous articles in this series have discussed the logistical improbabilities and, at times, impossibilities in the biblical tales of the Israelite wilderness wanderings in the Sinai region over a 40-year period. As improbable as the logistics were in the other wilderness tales I have examined, they dwarf in comparison to the problem of how three million Israelites and their enormous flocks and herds were able to survive for 40 years in a region where water was scarce. That water was scarce in the Sinai was recognized in the many texts that referred to the water shortages that the Israelites encountered in their wilderness journeys. The first such reference was made after the "chosen ones" had traveled three days into the wilderness.

Exodus 15:22 Then Moses ordered Israel to set out from the Red Sea, and they went into the wilderness of Shur. They went three days in the wilderness and found no water. 23 When they came to Marah, they could not drink the water of Marah because it was bitter. That is why it was called Marah. 24 And the people complained against Moses, saying, "What shall we drink?" 25 He cried out to Yahweh; and Yahweh showed him a piece of wood; he threw it into the water, and the water became sweet. There Yahweh made for them a statute and an ordinance and there he put them to the test.

Other passages refer to water shortages that the Israelites afterwards encountered on their journey, but for now let's look at some implications in the incident claimed in the passage just quoted. If the Israelites journeyed three days and found no water until they came to Marah, they must have either traveled three days in a desert region without water or else they carried with them the water they needed. Studies that have been done in desert survival show that it would have been unlikely that they could have traveled for three days in a desert region without water. The following quotation is from a survivalist website that discusses the number of days that one could survive in the desert at different temperatures with different quantities of drinking water available.

Without water you will last about 2 1/2 days at 48C (120F) if you spend the whole time resting in the shade, though you could last as long as 12 days if the temperature stays below 21C (70F). 

If you are forced to walk to safety the distance you cover will relate directly to water available. 

With none, a temperature of 48C (120F) walking only at night, resting all day, you could cover 40km (25 miles). 

Attempting to walk by day you would be lucky to complete 8km (5 miles) before collapse. 

At the same temperature with about 2 litres (4 pt) of water you might cover 56km (35 miles) and last 3 days.

The biblical text quoted above says that the Israelites journeyed three days, so they did not spend those three days sitting in the shade. They were marching in a desert region, so unless they were carrying water with them, they could have traveled only about five miles before they would have collapsed. Quibbling that they may have traveled only at night would not solve the problem of having to transport water with them, because the statistics above state that one could last only two and a half days without water if he/she spent that time resting in the shade. Hence, inerrantists, who claim that the wilderness wandering tales are historically accurate, cannot escape the need to explain how the Israelites could have transported with them enough water to provide them and their livestock with their daily requirements.

Tall Tales Of Wilderness Wanderings (Part 10 of 13): Logistical Improbabilities in the Wilderness-Wandering Tales When Nature Called

by Farrell Till

We have seen some of the logistical problems that would have been involved in setting up encampments for 2.5 to 3 million people and carrying out the sacrificial ceremonies that the Levitical law required. Probably few inerrantists have ever considered a wilderness problem that all densely populated areas must solve, and that is the problem of human-waste disposal. The following passage made some stipulations in this regard that would have posed some special hardships on the Israelites during their wilderness wanderings.

Deuteronomy 23:12 You shall have a designated area outside the camp to which you shall go. 13 With your utensils you shall have a trowel; when you relieve yourself outside, you shall dig a hole with it and then cover up your excrement. 14 Because Yahweh your God travels along with your camp, to save you and to hand over your enemies to you, therefore your camp must be holy, so that he may not see anything indecent among you and turn away from you.

This passage clearly indicates that latrines were not allowed inside the encampment, and so when nature called, one was required to go outside of the 9-square-mile camp to attend to it. He/she was to take along a "trowel" (paddle in some translations) to dig a hole in which to bury the excrement. It is hard to imagine how large this "designated" area would have had to have been to accommodate 2.5 million people digging their individual holes to attend to their business. If each hole were only 6 inches by 6 inches, a "designated area" of 625,000 square feet or 69,444 square yards would be needed to provide a hole for each person. Since there are 4,840 square yards in an acre, this "designated area" would have had to have been 14.35 acres in size to accommodate each person's going "outside the camp" with his/her trowel just once per day.

Tall Tales In The Wilderness Wanderings (Part 9 of 13): Logistical Improbabilities in the Wilderness-Wandering Tales Getting the Whole Congregation Together

by Farrell Till

In the eight previous articles in this series, we have seen many logistical improbabilities--and sometimes downright impossibilities--in the biblical tales of the 40-year wilderness wanderings of the Israelites. Let's now imagine all 3 million Israelites standing together like packed sardines instead of lying down in their 6' x 3' plot that was allotted when we calculated what the minimum land area for an encampment would had to have been. Let's suppose that all three million could stand together on a plot that allowed a 2-foot by 2-foot area for each person. Where one person's four-square-foot plot ended, another one's would begin. Putting everyone together this compactly, all three million could have stood on a land area of 12 million square feet. In yards, the area of this plot of standing room only would have been 1,333,333 square yards. That would equal 275 acres of ground. (Of course, one would not have wanted to be in the very center of this mass of humanity when the mandatory trip out of the camp with one's trowel [Deut. 23:12-13] became necessary.) Anyone who grew up on a farm of any size should have an idea of how much land area this would be. The family farm that I grew up on in Missouri was only 120 acres or less than half this size. There would be no way that anyone could have stood in the middle of my family's farm and speak and be heard everywhere on the farm.

Why is this important? We read in many places in the exodus stories that Moses would sometimes call the entire congregation of Israel together to speak to them. The premise of Deuteronomy, in fact, is that of a speech that Moses made to "all Israel" (1:1). On some occasions, Moses would call the whole congregation together at the door of the tabernacle to speak to them: "And Yahweh spoke to Moses saying... assemble all the congregation at the door of the tabernacle, and Moses did as Yahweh commanded him, and the congregation was assembled at the door of the tabernacle" (Lev. 6:1-5). Now the dimensions of the tabernacle are recorded in Exodus 27:11-12, and its court at the front entry was only 50 cubits wide. Even if we accept the long cubit as a standard, this would have made the breadth of the court only 90 feet. So how could Moses have possibly assembled the entire congregation before the court of the tabernacle? If the people had stood in rows 90 feet wide, each row would have accommodated only 45 people, so 66,666 rows would have been necessary to get all of the people in front of the tabernacle entry. The rows would then have extended back from the entry to a distance of 25 miles. Needless to say, this would have made it impossible for Moses to have spoken to the entire congregation. Even if we put 135 people in each row, so that the rows would have extended 90 feet on each side beyond the width of the court, there would have been 22,222 rows of people stretching back for a distance of 8.4 miles.

Inerrantists will argue that "all of the congregation" didn't mean all of the Israelites in the exodus but only the adults. That hardly solves the problem, because if we cut the population figures in half to accommodate this quibble, that would simply halve the scenarios presented above, and no reasonable person can think that 1.5 million adults assembled on 137.5 acres of land or in a column 4.2 miles long could hear a speech that Moses was delivering without a public address system. Obviously, all of Moses speeches to "all Israel" or the "whole congregation" are simply more exaggerations in the fanciful tale of Israel's trek from Egypt to the promised land.  

Tales Of Wilderness Wanderings (Part 8 of 13): Logistical Improbabilities in the Wilderness-Wandering Tales At Least the Priests Had Meat

by Farrell Till

In "Yahweh's Quails," we looked at what Yahweh's "inspired" word said about a near food riot when the people grew weary of manna and demanded meat to eat. After Moses had cooled the petulant Yahweh's temper in this matter, Yahweh said that he would send them meat to eat until it became loathsome to them and was coming out of their nostrils (Num. 11:19). This was done through a wind from the sea (of all places) that blew in quails that fell for a depth of three feet all around the camp for a distance of a day's journey (20-25 miles). The people didn't get to enjoy their meat, however, for before they could consume it, Yahweh sent a plague to kill the rebellious ones. Then all was well again until Miriam and Aaron complained about Moses' leadership (chapter 12) and the people trembled at the report of the spies (chapters 13 and 14). It seems that there was just always something turning the chosen ones against the god who went before them in a cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night, talked to them from the door of the tabernacle, brought them water from rocks, parted the Red Sea, etc., etc., etc. Boy, talk about a lack of appreciation! These chosen ones had it. We have to wonder why the inscrutable Yahweh selected such an ungrateful lot to be his chosen people above all nations on the face of the earth (Deut. 7:6-7). Ah, well, God's ways are not to be questioned, and in the sweet by and by, we will undoubtedly understand it all.

At any rate, the people bellyached at the lack of meat in their diet, but we could hardly suppose that the priests had any complaints. This is because the priests were required to eat many of the sacrifices after they had been offered: "And Yahweh spoke to Moses, saying, Speak to Aaron and to his sons, saying, This is the law of the sin-offering. In the place where the burnt-offering is killed shall the sin-offering be killed before Yahweh. It is most holy. The priest that offers it for sin shall eat it. In the holy place shall it be eaten, in the court of the tent of meeting" (Lev. 6:24-27). Of sacrifices boiled in earthen vessels, "every male among the priests shall eat thereof; it is most holy" (v:29). Every male among the priests shall eat thereof? Well, that would have been four at the most, Aaron and his two sons Eleazar and Ithamar, and then later Eleazar's son Phinehas (Num. 25:10-13).

Tall Tales Of Wilderness Wanderings (Part 7 of 13): Logistical Improbabilities in the Wilderness-Wandering Tales Another Problem with the Quails

by Farrell Till

In "Yahweh's Quails," we saw the logistical absurdities that would have been involved in the biblical tale of quails that Yahweh caused to fall to a depth of three feet for 20 miles in all directions around the Israelite camp. Besides the sheer logistics that would have been involved in the gathering of these quails as claimed in the biblical text, this fanciful little tale presents another problem for biblical inerrantists. According to the story, Yahweh clearly said that he would give the complaining Israelites enough meat to last them a month, so much meat, in fact, that it would come out at their nostrils and become loathsome to them.

Numbers 11:18 "Therefore Yahweh will give you meat, and you shall eat. 19 You shall eat not only one day, or two days, or five days, or ten days, or twenty days, but for a whole month--until it comes out of your nostrils and becomes loathsome to you--because you have rejected Yahweh who is among you, and have wailed before him, saying, 'Why did we ever leave Egypt?'"

So Yahweh's prediction was that these bellyaching Israelites would chew on quails for a month until the meat came out their nostrils and became loathsome to them, but according to Yahweh's inspired, inerrant word, this isn't what happened .

Numbers 11:32 So the people worked all that day and night and all the next day, gathering the quails; the least anyone gathered was ten homers; and they spread them out for themselves all around the camp. 33 But while the meat was still between their teeth, before it was consumed, the anger of Yahweh was kindled against the people, and Yahweh struck the people with a very great plague. 34 So that place was called Kibroth-hattaavah, because there they buried the people who had the craving.

So one passage from Yahweh's inspired, inerrant word says that he told the people they would eat so much meat (for at least a month) that it would become loathsome to them, but another passage (just a few verses further along) says that the people never even had the opportunity to eat the quails, because Yahweh struck the people with a "very great plague" while the meat was still between their teeth, before it was consumed, and killed those who had had "the craving."

But there are no discrepancies in the Bible, are there?  

Tall Tales Of Wilderness Wanderings (Part 6 of 13): Logistical Improbabilities in the Wilderness-Wandering Tales Yahweh's Quails

by Farrell Till

In their wilderness wanderings, Yahweh's "chosen ones" bellyached about every little hardship. When they tired of the manna from heaven that Yahweh so generously provided them, they complained again: "If only we had meat to eat! We remember the fish we used to eat in Egypt for nothing, the cucumbers, the melons, the leeks, the onions, and the garlic; but now our strength is dried up, and there is nothing at all but this manna to look at" (Num. 11:5). If the people wanted meat to eat, why they didn't slaughter some of their enormous flocks and herds from which they obtained their constant supply of animals to incinerate on Yahweh's altar is anyone's guess, but people in biblical times didn't seem to react to situations in logical, sensible ways. The "chosen ones" wanted meat, and so they complained to their god Yahweh, who was so angry at them for their latest rebellion that he promised to send them so much meat that it would come out their nostrils.

Numbers 11:16 So Yahweh said to Moses, "Gather for me seventy of the elders of Israel, whom you know to be the elders of the people and officers over them; bring them to the tent of meeting, and have them take their place there with you. 17 I will come down and talk with you there; and I will take some of the spirit that is on you and put it on them; and they shall bear the burden of the people along with you so that you will not bear it all by yourself. 18 And say to the people: Consecrate yourselves for tomorrow, and you shall eat meat; for you have wailed in the hearing of Yahweh, saying, 'If only we had meat to eat! Surely it was better for us in Egypt.' Therefore Yahweh will give you meat, and you shall eat. 19 You shall eat not only one day, or two days, or five days, or ten days, or twenty days, 20 but for a whole month--until it comes out of your nostrils and becomes loathsome to you--because you have rejected Yahweh who is among you, and have wailed before him, saying, 'Why did we ever leave Egypt?'"

Yahweh's statement confused even Moses, because he too reacted logically and assumed that Yahweh meant for meat to be obtained from the flocks and herds: "And Moses said, 'The people whom I am among are six hundred thousand men on foot; yet you have said, "I will give them meat, that they may eat for a whole month."' Shall flocks and herds be slaughtered for them, to provide enough for them?" (vs:21-22).

Tall Tales Of Wilderness Wanderings (Part 5 of 13): Logistical Improbabilities in the Wilderness-Wandering Tales Where Did They Get the Wood?

by Farrell Till

The fire on the altar at the door of the tabernacle was a permanent fire that never went out: "And the fire upon the altar shall be kept burning thereon; it shall not go out, and the priest shall burn wood on it every morning; and he shall lay the burnt-offering in order upon it, and shall burn thereon the fat of the peace-offerings. Fire shall be kept burning upon the altar continually; it shall not go out" (Lev. 6:12-13). Even if this statement were not in the sacred word, we would have to conclude that the fire on the altar had to burn continuously, because the daily sacrificial rituals, officiated by only three priests (four after Aaron's grandson Phinehas was ordained), would have had to have burned continuously. Even then, with three or four priests working nonstop, they could hardly have attended to all of the sacrifices necessitated by 2.5 to 3 million people trying to heed Yahweh's holy commandment to incinerate animals and birds and meal to him for their sins and other needs. Even if we assume that only the previously estimated 1.5 million adults in the band of three million refugees trekking to the promised land offered sacrifices and that each adult offered only an average of one sacrifice per year (which certainly would not have satisfied Yahweh's ordinances concerning sacrifices), the three (or four) priests would have had to officiate at over 1,000 sacrifices per day. If we divide these evenly among the four priests, each one would have had to officiate at 250 sacrifices per day, which would have averaged more but a division of labor like this would not have been possible, since all sacrifices had to be made on the altar at the door of the tabernacle. Perhaps we can imagine a scenario where one priest made an offering, while a second one prepared another, which he would slap onto the altar as soon as the first one had been duly incinerated, after which a third priest would throw on a third, etc. Even at this, each priest would have had to do 85 sacrifices per hour, if they had all worked nonstop without eating or sleeping. That would amount to 1.4 sacrifices, per priest, per minute, a scenario that would hardly have been possible, since the fire on the altar could not have consumed animals as large as bullocks that rapidly. We must also remember that the offal of the animals and the ashes left over from the sacrifice had to be carried by the priest "out of the camp" and duly disposed of in accordance with Yahweh's other holy ordinances. Since the tabernacle was always located in the center of the camp (already estimated at a conservative size of 9 square miles), the disposal of offal and ashes would have required at least a 1.5 trek, even if we visualize the chosen ones sleeping in their tents like sardines to keep the size of the camp to just 9 square miles. Of course, if the encampments were made to provide each person a little elbow room, the treks out of the camp would have been longer for the priests (who were all loaded down with offal and ashes). And inerrantists try to tell us that the Bible is a work of perfect harmony!

At any rate, we are told that the fire on the altar burned continuously. If that is so, we have to wonder where all of the wood was obtained in the Sinai wilderness to keep it burning. Every morning a priest had to put wood on the fire, but one would think that the years and years that this fire burned would have depleted what wood may have grown naturally in the area. This would be especially true, since we have to believe they the chosen ones wandered about in circles. One would think that once a circle had been completed, the need for wood would have been an especially acute problem for the priest who had to keep the fire burning on the altar. We have to wonder too where the people obtained wood for their personal fires, which they would have needed to cook and stay warm at night. With up to three million people in the encampments, there was surely keen competition for wood. Despite this, we are asked to believe that an altar fire was kept burning continuously and that somehow wood was always available for the altar in a region that would surely have been stripped of wood in the forty years of wandering about in circles.

I'm sure that there must be a simple explanation for this problem but that I have just overlooked it. Perhaps some inerrantist reader could tell us what the explanation is.  

Tall Tales Of Wilderness Wanderings (Part 4 of 13): Logistical Improbabilities in the Wilderness-Wandering Tales What About the Meal Offerings?

by Farrell Till
In "Sacrifices and the Size of the Hebrew Camps", we saw that it would have been logistically impossible for four priests to have officiated at all of the animal sacrifices that the Levitical law required of the Israelites during their wilderness years. In addition to the many bloody animal sacrifices decreed by the inscrutable Yahweh, the Israelites were required to make "meal-offerings" to Yahweh, and these were just as rigidly regulated as the animal sacrifices (Lev. 2:1-16; 6:14-21; 7:11-14), from all of which the priests were of course authorized to take their share.

The size of these "meal-offerings" was not designated, but let's just suppose that the average size was 4 ounces, which would seem like an embarrassingly small amount to offer to the almighty Yahweh, who had delivered the Israelites from Egyptian bondage. I mean, how ungrateful could one get? So if only one meal-offering per year, per person, were sacrificed in the wilderness wanderings, 750,000 pounds of meal per year would have been required. This would have equaled 375 tons of meal per year that went up in smoke while the Israelites were in the wilderness. Over the entire 40-year stretch, 15,000 tons of meal would have been sacrificed.

Now where could the Israelites have obtained in the wilderness the grain to make this much meal for their sacrifices? The Sinai was a desert terrain, which hardly seems like the type of land from which 375 tons of grain could have been harvested each year. Besides, there is not even a hint in the wilderness stories that the Israelites ever engaged in agricultural activities while they were wandering about.

Doesn't anybody besides me ever wonder about the logistical requirements that would have been necessary to make the wilderness-wandering tales historically accurate?  

Tall Tales Of Wilderness Wanderings (Part 3 of 13): Logistical Improbabilities in the Wilderness-Wandering Tales Sacrifices in the Hebrew Camps

by Farrell Till

In "The Size of the Hebrew Camps", I showed that an encampment of 2.5 to 3 million people would surely have required an area of at least 9 square miles and probably even more. Even the layout of the camp was divinely commanded, and the tabernacle was the center of the camp (Num. 2:2). The rest of Numbers 2 gave detailed instructions on where each tribe was to pitch its tents. These instructions are too detailed to quote, but for now we want to notice that the tabernacle was to be the center of the encampments. Sacrifices were offered on an altar that was located at the door of the tabernacle (Lev. 1:5), the fire of which was kept permanently burning (Lev. 6:12-13). Hence, the daily sacrifices were offered in the center of the Israelite encampment.

The book of Leviticus is mainly a catalog of sacrifices that had to be offered on the tabernacle altar. One of the more interesting ones was the purification sacrifice that a woman had to offer after giving birth. For giving birth to a male, a woman was unclean for 40 days, but for giving birth to a female, she was unclean for 80 days (Lev. 12:1-5). After this period, she was to offer a year-old lamb for her purification and a pigeon or a turtledove (v:6). If she couldn't afford this sacrifice, she could substitute two pigeons or two turtledoves (v:8). Who said that Yahweh wasn't a considerate god? Why, look at the concern he showed for the poor.